Building Flexible Trance Skills
Posted by: nlpboot on: September 13, 2009
For the next several sessions of NLP Boot at my place, I’d like to concentrate on trance skills because they form a fairly central part of NLP and, due to their unusual nature and social mystique, can seem both attractive and intimidating at the same time. It has been said that we have trances for everything, from driving to studying, which is another way of saying that we have different states of consciousness for different purposes. For our purposes here in NLP Boot, it might be useful to think of hypnotic trance in a more narrow definition as a focused state of mind when the subject’s attention is directed inwardly, communication with the unconscious is enhanced, the subject is very open to suggestions and instructions and there is relaxation and some tuning out of sensory channels.
Next session (Sept 28) I’d like to begin a fairly structured approach to trance work, using Bandler’s recent book TRANCE-formation as a guide. The following ideas are taken from chapter 11 in the book, which mostly deals with methods of induction. If you are interested in becoming very comfortable with trance work, I recommend, if you haven’t’ already done so, that you write out 10-20 examples of each of the Milton Model patterns, which can be found in an appendix of Bandler’s book, or you can find them at this link. And, of course, come join us on the 28th!!!
The idea of this practice is to isolate and learn various aspects of trance separately, breaking the job into smaller, more do-able pieces. Becoming fluent with Milton Model patterns is one of these. Another, which we have dealt with in previous Boot sessions, is the use of language that is “artfully vague”, where we pace another person’s experience by making statements that are verifiably true about their experience by being vague about any details with which they might disagree. This also helps them alter their state by prompting them to search their own mind to fill in any missing details they might want.
For the 28th, my proposed plan is to work on the following practice:
- String phrases together using 1)simple conjunctions, 2)implied causatives and 3)cause/effect patterns, then practice creating off-the-cuff inductions using 3 of each (3X3).
- Play with tonal (pitch) inflections by reading or speaking with upwards, downwards and neutral inflections at the ends of phrases and sentences and noticing the effects. This is to develop greater awareness of some of the analog attributes of our verbal communications.
- Review the “artfully vague” pacing exercise if needed.
- Directing Attention Inward: This is where we create inductions using a specific pattern:
- 3 “truism” pacing statements and 1 “comfort” suggestion, repeat twice
- 2 paces and 2 suggestions, X3
- 1 pace and 3 suggestions, X3
- some simple suggestion like “spend a few minutes in deep relaxation so you will wake up totally refreshed”, followed by…
- return to normal consciousness and outer awareness.
Even if structured plans like #4 above often start out one way only to become more fluid and creative, the discipline of starting with a specific work plan engages the mind in a way that is very useful.
I’ve found one way to practice pacing statements (as in #1 above) is to pace myself about my own current experience, saying things like “you can hear the voices of the people in the room” etc, then move on to implied causatives like “if you fix your attention on one spot, you can then take in your entire field of vision at once” and finish with cause/effects like “and one of your arms begins to feel lighter because of a certain sensation in your toes that can rapidly spread up your body…” or some such nonsense. The main drawback of working alone this way is that I often put myself to sleep – it probably means I needed the rest.
My theory is that, with practice, this gets easier, and there’s no rule saying you can’t repeat yourself if you run out of ideas. Over time, we can each build up a “patter” or “repertoire” of paces, leads, outcomes, etc, that flow easily off the tongue so we can pay more attention to the feedback we’re getting and respond accordingly. Please join us if you can – the more the merrier!
Cabot
Representational System Language
Posted by: nlpboot on: May 30, 2009
As I understand it, the point of listening for sensory-based words is to get an understanding of how the speaker (or writer) is representing reality to herself, which gives clues about how to communicate smoothly with them and how change can most easily and elegantly be accomplished. One application of this is to detect a person’s preferred representational system, so we can pace them in that system to gain rapport and help their mind move smoothly into resourceful territory. Another is to learn about their sequence of representational states (strategy) when they are remembering something or doing something, so we can model a successful strategy or re-work a troublesome one.
My experience so far has been that a great many words that people use don’t fit neatly into any rep system, but simply pawning them off as “unspecified” seems like giving up on a rich source of information. Sometimes, unequivocally clear rep systems will pop up in the middle of long stretches of dialogue, but what do we do with all that “unspecified” stuff? If we believe the notion that “everything we think can be represented in sensory terms”, perhaps it will be worthwhile delving further into what our words tell us about our rep systems.
I believe a lot of this ambiguous or unspecified language actually synthesizes two or more rep systems. For instance, the word “planning” is found, on Bandler’s list, in the unspecified part of the list, but when I think of planning, I might hear discussion, see a list or chart and even feel myself trying out some actions in my imagination. Similarly, in the sentence “Get a sponsor for your group”, the “get” might at first be represented kinesthetically as hands grasping this idea of “sponsor”, but then visually/kinesthetically as walking up to a certain person and then auditorily/digitally as talking to them and then kinesthetically as an emotional response to how they might respond.
In fact, it seems that syntheses of rep systems are the most common forms and there are plenty of smart people who agree that synthesizing – thinking in multimedia – leads to greater richness and creativity. Perhaps unequivocally single rep system words and phrases are, in fact, anomalies and help to indicate when a person’s thinking is inflexible or constrained in some way. Another interpretation could be that syntheses may indicate “fuzzy” thinking that we use to hypnotize each other, producing agreement or understanding without true clarity.
In any case, the difference between syntheses and “pure” rep systems is probably significant in some way. The meaning of this difference may become clear if we discover conversational patterns that tend to produce pure, single-sense representations. I haven’t discovered anything like this yet, so I wish anyone who has would post a comment describing what you’ve learned on this blog.
I realize I’m stretching beyond the bounds of basic level practitioner training here, so now I’m going to get back to reading interviews and paying attention to language in my conversations…and enjoying the nice weather.
Cheers, Cabot
May 27 Boot
Posted by: nlpboot on: May 29, 2009
For those of you who are following our progress but not in attendance last Wednesday evening, I can say that meeting regularly is helping us get comfortable working together and this helps everything to go smoother. Similar to our last boot, the initial planned “warm-up” using Salad cards turned out to be the main event. This is an easy and enjoyable way to practice language patterns and, since we were using the Hypnosis pattern deck, we were able to get lot’s of practice going in and out of trance. It is very instructive to experience how a comment like “As you continue relaxing, you might notice a certain feeling in your feet” prompts you to pay attention to your feet, which probably do have some sensation, and the discovery produces an odd recognition and congruence, which feels a lot like a trance.
This is the time when we will begin meeting weekly. Our next meeting will be Monday June 1st in the West End. If you weren’t with us Wednesday and you want to join us, email me so I can give you the location.
This Monday, and the following Boot on Wednesday June 10, we will be working with representational systems. Wednesday, we discussed the idea of “homework” and so gave ourselves the assignment of learning to recognize and be sensitive to rep system language – in particular, words of the three main senses of Visual, Auditory and Kinesthetic systems. There is a short list of some examples below.
I have found it very challenging to develop this awareness in the course of my own conversations, because I am often more interested in the content of the conversation than in learning about V-A-K, so I suggest that you watch interviews of people or, even better, read transcripts of interviews so you can stop the conversation mid-sentence and think about how the words indicate what senses the speaker is using to represent reality. A word like “clear” can be auditory or visual or even of unspecified rep system, so the context matters. Pay particular attention to verbs, adverbs and adjectives – the “predicates” of sentences.
Examples: V-A-K Words and Phrases
Visual: Beyond a shadow of doubt, Describe, Get an eyeful, Get a perspective, Gleam in the eye, Hazy idea, Imagine that, In view of, Looks like, Like a photo, Mental image, Mind’s eye, Map out, Paint a picture, Pretty as a picture, Take a peek, Drawing a blank, analyze, hindsight, focus, illusion, notice, show, watch.
Auditory: Clear as a bell, Discuss, Entertain me, Give me your ear, Hardly a peep, Heard voices, Hold your tongue, Listen in, Loud and clear, Power of speech, Manner of speaking, Outspoken, Pay attention to, Rings a bell, Purrs like a kitten, Tuned in, articulate, dissonant, inquire, mention, ring, tell, shrill, utter, voice.
Kinesthetic: Chip off old block, Demonstrate, Get a handle on, Get a load of this, Be in touch with, Gut feeling, Draw a picture, Heated argument, Illustrate, Tasty, Hot seat, Lay hands on, Intuition, Point out, Feels just right, Moment of panic, active, affected, emotional, flow, hunch, hustle, shallow, support, tension.
-cabot@telus.net
May 13th Boot update
Posted by: nlpboot on: May 16, 2009
Hi again,
Last Wednesday we met again with a fairly structured approach that seemed to work well. We started off by using Jamie Smart’s NLP Belief Buster Salad cards. Each person contributed one limiting belief with the duel cause-effect structure, e.g. “I can’t start a new business because I’ve never done anything like it before” and we then took turns applying the patterns on the cards to these beliefs. After everyone got used to the structure of the exercise and the format of the cards (the printing is very small!!) things flowed along pretty well and I think we all learned and felt a sense of success. We spent quite a bit of time on this.
Then we switched over to the portion dealing directly with Well-formed Outcomes. After putting the conditions of well-formed outcomes on the board, we worked at defining a well-formed outcome for me in my development of a new career as a coach. We actually narrowed it down to the goal of getting to the point where I feel comfortable enough to begin charging money. This helped to define some concrete steps toward that goal – a plan that continues to take shape. I find it very helpful and motivating.
Our next Boot is scheduled for May 27th at my place again. After that we plan to meet every week, alternating Mondays and Wednesdays, so the following Boot will be June 1st at a location in the West End of Vancouver. Email me if you want to attend and I’ll fill you in on the details.
I made the suggestion at the end of Wednesday that we might consider having homework in between sessions. I got a luke-warm response to this, so I promised to clarify what I meant and here is my proposal. In preparation for doing more trance work in our next boot, I suggest that we all practice the Milton Model language patterns by writing out between 10 and 20 examples of each. The act of writing allows us to craft our language with precision and think deeply about the patterns we are learning. To make the task easier, find yourself a simple list of Milton Model patterns. I’m using the list from Richard Bandler’s Guide to Trance-formation (2008), which is a book I highly recommend. You can find another one here.
Edward suggested then reading your written patterns out loud into a recorder and playing them back to see what effect they might have.
The last thing I want to give you is the link to an article called Structure of Permissive Hypnotherapy part one. In it, Michael Carroll gives a very nice description of several attributes of trance and methods of induction, including a bit on micro-muscle mirroring.
Cheers,
cabot@telus.net
Outcomes
Posted by: nlpboot on: May 10, 2009
As we discovered at our last Boot, clarity and congruity of outcomes have significant influence on success, which doesn’t mean that you have to know everything about your direction before you start something, since you’re unlikely to know everything about what you’ll find next, but having some contact with a congruent intention can help anyone to stay on track with a particular job, a big project or life in general.
A few weeks ago I had the notion that things would go better for me if I could formulate an outcome for every interaction with every person I ever meet. This is part of some larger outcomes that are becoming clear for me, such as “accelerate my NLP training” and “have more satisfying interactions”, which are themselves part of the outcome of “transform myself into a happier, more competent person”. The good part about trying new things is that you always learn something.
At the beginning of this process, in my naiveté, I took what seemed a logical step of creating a one-size-fits-all kind of outcome, which was “the person will associate me with something happy”. This fits with my altruistic streak but also pays homage to the self-serving side. It was an interesting exercise because it focused my attention in a more directed way and enabled me to learn something valuable, namely, that there are lot’s of people with whom, for whatever reason, my desired outcome turns out to be “no outcome or interaction at all”.
This revelation has two parts. The first part is learning to ask the useful question of “What do I want with this person?” It may be I would like them to smile at me, maybe I want to practice micro-mirroring, or have a conversation about something specific, or enjoy their physical beauty, or something else. If I ask the question, I have a better chance of achieving something I really want, and the more I ask the question, the quicker and better I get at answering it.
The second part builds on the first. If I have a clear understanding of what I want, I can avoid mushing together incompatible outcomes, such as “enjoy her physical beauty” AND “have her smile at me”. I developed a new understanding of the phrase “Oops, she caught me looking!”
As I continue along this vein, I begin to notice when other people mush together intentions that don’t fit very well. I have also relegated my “associate me with something happy” goal to a higher level, a meta-outcome. It seems to work for now.
Will I see you this Wednesday?
Cheers,
Cabot
April 27th Boot
Posted by: nlpboot on: April 30, 2009
Keep it simple, take care of the basics, have clearly defined Outcomes…these are some of the things I learned from our latest Boot session Wednesday evening. I came to it with a a few vague ideas of what to do and discovered that our subject – Trance – is a far bigger and more intimidating area than I thought and I unexpectedly found the group looking to me to take the lead! Perhaps if I had been prepared with a specific and graduated lesson plan we could have moved things along a little faster, developing a sense of flow. As it happened, I found myself aware of the group’s hesitation and my own absence of confidence and flexibility to lead us out of that situation.
However, the beauty of group dynamics seems to be that, where there is an absence of leadership, someone will step into the breach. By the end of the session, three people had conducted group inductions, with subsequent feedback from their “subjects”, and we had a fruitful planning discussion for future Boots.
Our plan is, for the near future, to stick to the basic NLP Practitioner material (outlined in Bandler’s manual that Harry gave us) in a kind of a survey course, hitting all the main points and not concentrating too much on one area for too long. We will use this blog to plan each Boot’s exercises ahead of time. Each session will start with a warm-up of either Salad Card practice or one of us will perform an induction to help the group slip into an “enhanced learning” trance. Then, we’ll move on to our exercises and finish by working with one or two people who want to be subjects. Sound good?
After Wednesday, it seems appropriate that the consensus was to concentrate on “Outcomes” in our next Boot. As Edward said, getting to a well-formed outcome is sometimes half the battle. It seems essential to anything, but particularly trance-work, since hypnotic induction turns out to be pretty easy and once we’re in trance we need something worthwhile and rewarding to do. Bandler’s Questions To Elicit Desired States (AKA Outcomes) are similar to Coaching-type questions I’ve encountered and may be one thing we can practice. There are certain to be others, so if you are planning to participate in the next session on May 13, please find or create a suggestion or two and put them in comments to this posting. No idea is too silly, absurd or frivolous because we will just use what we like and discard the rest, and sometimes the goofiest ideas lead to the best experiences. The more brains we have churning out material, the better.
Cheers
Cabot
Why call it “Boot”?
Posted by: nlpboot on: April 25, 2009
Actually, nobody really asks me this question so I can’t claim that it is a burning issue for anyone, yet the genesis of the name has some relevance to why I’m playing host to our group practice and networking.
One of the first associations people make is the idea of a boot camp. Personally, I’d love to do a boot camp of some sort. Intense, rigorous, immersion types of training experiences are offered in various locations of the world, usually for a healthy fee. Since I haven’t yet translated NLP skills into worldly success, I decided to create learning opportunities for myself by hosting, not a boot camp, but a different and more affordable kind of boot. At this stage maybe it’s more of a work boot.
Inspiration for the name comes from the computer expression “booting up” which is itself from the older idea of “pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps”, which means to use resources you’ve already got to help yourself improve your situation. When a computer boots up, it consults the Master Boot Record, a very simple (dumb) program to direct itself to a somewhat more complex (smarter) program that initiates various more sophisticated and interrelated programs that load into the computer’s active memory and initiate other programs and processes until the computer is set up and ready to perform complex tasks.
This cascading series of associations is similar to how I operate when doing things like, for example, getting going in the morning: After waking up, I see a simple picture of myself arriving at work, which gets me up and walking, which carries me to other routines like bathing, getting dressed, making lunch, stretching, reading and whatever else I have time for before organizing my self out the door and on the bike to work, where I am boot-ifully prepared to take on the world!
I see a parallel with learning. If I decide to learn something, I start with a simple idea of what I need to know, which leads to information about that topic and its connections with my existing knowledge, which leads to specific and purposeful study of increasingly more detailed knowledge and practice. One difference between me and a machine is that the web of information and associations can potentially continue indefinitely. Another is that I can create new programs for myself, usually by booting up a simple idea which leads me into progressively complex inquiry and action.
Tony Buzan, who coined the term “mind-map”, makes a pretty compelling case for this networked vision of brain function. At the heart of a mind-map is the central idea (master boot record) immediately surrounded by it’s basic organizing ideas, which each have their own branching networks of associated ideas. He calls this “radiant thinking”, which describes our thought structures as branching, interrelated networks. Any idea in a mind-map can easily become the centre (boot record) of a new mind map, connected to other ideas, so the process has the potential to continue on until you reach boot-ist enlightenment.
And so NLP Boot becomes a vehicle by which we can help ourselves light up our neural networks, starting with what we know we know and rapidly connecting with what we don’t know we know and what we didn’t know, but now or soon will know, if you know what I mean.
I hope you’ll shake your bootie on over to our next session on April 29th.
Cheers,
Trance Theme
Posted by: nlpboot on: April 19, 2009
Chris found us the mind-map version of Practitioner course content above. Looking at it I notice there are some things I feel fairly comfortable with, some things I know a little about and a few things about which I haven’t a clue. In the Trance branch, it looks like there’s some stuff we can use to get us all thinking about our upcoming Boot session on “inductions”.
(By the way, I notice that this picture doesn’t reproduce clearly on this blog window, so if I have your email address, I will send you the file directly.)
What is trance? Good question. I’ve heard the “everything is trance” and the “no such thing as trance” explanations (which don’t really do much explaining). Trance is also described as a state of concentrated attention where the person’s awareness becomes more intensified and narrow. When I think of my own experience of trance, I associate it with a low-stress state where I can do things and access my mind in ways I normally can’t (or don’t). Milton Erickson often described trance as an inward focus of attention to what is immediately important.
Self-hypnosis: I found a nice link that I’ve used to help practice going into trance at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIGSEGfd5Ds
Inductions: There are countless methods of focusing attention inwardly. They get invented and forgotten every day. One element that is common to many of them is pacing and leading, and the “3-2-1″ pattern is a good way to practice this:
Begin pacing by making 3 or more statements that your subject can verify with his/her senses, preferably using all three of the VAC (visual, auditory, kinesthetic) representational systems. For instance:
As we are sitting here (K) next to this window (V) listening to the rain outside (A)…
Next, lead with something you would like the person to do, such as:
…you can begin to relax…
Follow this up with 2 more pacing statements and a lead, then 1 pacing statement and a lead. For instance:
…and as you notice the colours in the room (V) and the sound of my voice (A) you can feel yourself sinking deeper into your chair (K, lead) which easily supports your weight (K) as you begin to deepen your trance (a leading presupposition that they are in a trance already).
You may naturally find yourself layering in various language patterns, enriching the complexity and effectiveness. Perhaps you will use a preamble to lead smoothly into the induction, and maybe you’ll do a 4-3-2-1 or a 5-4-3-2-1 pattern.
An induction exercise we might play with on the 29th is “That’s right”. Simply put, whenever you observe your subject doing anything that you consider to be trance-like, you reinforce it by telling them “That’s right”. They might blink their eyes, access a memory, de-focus their vision, relax their posture, etc. If you want to try this covertly in conversation, you can give some signal like subtly nodding your head instead of saying “That’s right” and see what happens. It helps if you envision them as being an excellent hypnotic subject. I think this works best by reinforcing changes/behaviours that are semi- or un-conscious.
Formats for change work: In other words, “Now that we are in trance, what’s next?” As we satisfy our fascination with trance we can consider what interested us in trance to begin with. It’s good to have an outcome in mind and even the most frivolous fantasy can lead, by mind-map like association, to meaningful and deeply rewarding benefits.
I hope this has given you some ideas and helps you to keep your focus on learning.
Cheers,
Cabot
The Second Boot
Posted by: nlpboot on: April 16, 2009
Our second NLP Boot practice session yesterday evening produced a number of good things. A brief presentation/discussion on belief structures and submodalities led us into working with the belief of one participant that she “can’t run”. This quickly branched out into a conversation on what being able to run would do for her and larger implications relating to career, social life and … well, it was actually great because we could begin to see how any issue is part of a web of interrelated beliefs, thoughts and patterns and help can find its approach from many possible angles. In the process of working, we were able to apply a lot of belief change and submodality methods.
We also talked about the 4-stage competency model – you know, the one that goes:
- unconscious incompetence
- conscious incompetence
- conscious competence
- unconscious competence
Edward (http://edwardewilson.com/) showed us his own cyclic version of this model, which can also be run backwards. We also discussed aspects of accelerated learning including mind-mapping, which we used at the end to wrap up when we looked at how to make NLP Boot incrediblely useful and exciting. If you increase your browser’s magnification to 200% you should be able to read the picture (above) pretty easily.
The major outcome we agreed upon for participation in NLP Boot was to practice and master the NLP Practitioner level skills. Chris said he would find a copy of the list of Practitioner level competencies and send it to me, and I will post it on this blog. We can then use it to agree ahead of time what we want to practice in the upcoming Boot sessions. For next time, everyone seemed interested in working on trance inductions.
I’d like to propose a 4-stage format for our Boot meetings:
- Explicitation (my made-up word): the very brief elicitation of what individual participants think would be an incrediblely worthwhile use of the practice session.
- Practice: exercises to build skills, following whatever theme we agreed upon ahead of time.
- Utilization: free-form work with one or more “clients”, as a group or in pairs and threes.
- Wrap: How did it go? How can we improve Boot? Theme for next time. Etc.
Please share with me any of your comments about any of this: cabot@telus.net.
Our next two scheduled sessions are April 29 and May 13 at 7pm, at my place.
Cheers,
Cabot
What’s it like to be you?
Posted by: nlpboot on: April 15, 2009
Whenever I find myself feeling uncomfortable for any reason – nervous, irritated, embarrassed, confused, etc. – one strategy that usually gets me out of the uncomfortable place is to seek more information. This normally does two things: it changes my activity from feeling bad to seeking information and it enables me to look for alternatives to the present situation.
While practicing the exercise of “stalking” strangers on the street (imitating their walk and other movement patterns) I have had the sensation, prior to engaging in the imitation of someone else, that my own physiology will become very neutral. This neutral quality of movement is relaxed, balanced and without any strong direction, effort or purpose. It’s like a blank slate. Some people walk and move in exaggerated ways that are easy to pick up, while others are more subtle and closer to neutral.
The question of “What’s it like to be that person?” is a useful little bit of internal dialogue to put my mind and body into information gathering mode. Aside from the practice of “stalking” (sorry, it’s the best word I can think of for it), there’s another, more subtle technique called Micro-Muscle Mirroring that you can practice to build the effectiveness of your uptime-trance-information-gathering skills. The following description is one I found particularly helpful – I may not have ever followed these steps exactly, but I was quickly able to absorb the idea:
Micro-Muscle Mirroring
· Notice the angle of the speaker’s spine, whether it is to the left, right or vertically positioned. Position your spine exactly in synch with the speaker. Notice how it feels.
· Slowly begin to arrange the rest of your body as a mirror image of the speaker’s. Don’t ape, do it subtly with an easy flow to your movements. Notice the feelings you have.
· Observe and hear the speaker. If they make a gesture, do a micro-imitation of it by imagining you’re making the gesture and letting it proceed only to the point of feeling your muscles getting ready to imitate it. Do not do the gesture, just feel your body get in readiness for it. Sense the felling associated with the gesture and notice what thoughts you have. Your speaker may notice your micro-movements at the unconscious level and may feel a sense of rapport with you.
· Tune into the speaker’s voice and at times, particularly when the tone gets louder, raises in pitch or becomes passionate, do a silent micro-imitation of it without giving voice to it and sense the emotions you have. Listen to any attendant thoughts.
The micro-muscle mirroring technique should be practiced in unimportant situations. After about fifteen separate practice sessions you will probably have integrated this skill into your everyday listening behaviour. You will notice how you gain a powerful sense of where a person is really coming from, because emotions are expressed through the voice and body and generally resist attempts by their host to mask them.
(from The Charisma Effect by Desmond Guilfoyle, pp 261-262)
The movements don’t have to be too “micro” – they can be visible to others and you can even use different parts of your body to catch the “flavour” of a person’s present state. Let it be an intuitive process by setting it in motion and then letting your visual/kinesthetic or audio/kinesthetic intelligence take over. If you persist with this kind of stuff long enough, after awhile you may find yourself able to keep aware of several people at once, letting your micro-movements be in tune with a whole room full of bodies.
With these kinds of activities, you can start to get out of your own head and more into the flow of conversations and activities around you. My experience, oddly enough, is that a more neutral, agenda-reduced state of engagement enables me to have more intense, rewarding interactions. It’s not that I stop thinking and telling my own stories, just that there’s more attention given to the ever-changing present moment.
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